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revenue in terms of what we are spending. $120 billion alone in afghanistan. alone. that doesn't include aid. 47, 000 troops still in iraq and we have tax cuts in place. >> the united states is strategically overextended worldwide. what are we doing borrowing money from japan and europe and persian gulf. we are overextended. >> exactly, pat. >> the country is overextended. you can't start fighting wars and not raise the revenue. >> maybe you ought to end the war. >> here we go. we have to do a little bit of everything. >> let's do one plan. we talk about both sides in broad strokes. walk us through what is actually inside the deficit reduction plan on each side. >> fair enough. >> simpson sets the standard. they came out with $4 trillion in deficit reduction. the paul ryan plan got about the same amount of deficit reduction, $4 trillion. the obama plan is $2.5 trillion of deficit reduction. the biden talks that have been going on are at zero, really, but they are talking $1 trillion spending cuts, maybe. by the way, even if the plan were adopted, we have $6 trillion more debt ten years f
afghanistan, pakistan. you're reading a couple pieces in the "new york times." now it's spreading to all of these different countries and one that really jumped off the page for me, drone attacks in somalia. >> joining us, jeremy scahill, on the cia secret sites in somalia, jeremy, the secret training programs and secret prisons out of somalia is part of your reporting there. how big a threat are these terrorist group there's? >> we should say first of all president obama campaigned on a promise to go up against these bush era policies declaring war on the world, running secret sites, torturing prisoners. deeply involved in an underground dungeon officially run by the somali national security agency, but their salaries are paid by the cia directly. in fact, one somali agent described thousand hairli ed ho and paid by u.s. agents and the u.s. is interrogating prisoners, including those rendered by the kenyan government, snatched off the streets in nairobi based on u.s. intelligence and taken to this secret prison and interrogated. it goes against the president's ordered he signed in janua
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